Does this help to know the mental state you are in?
Do you want to feel more %solution%?
Is this holding you back in life?
Awareness of your mental state is a very important first step towards resolving it!
The second step is doing daily small steps to help yourself in the short and long term. How?
Watch video below and read insights:
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Hello, whom of you has never had a
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friend who was suffering stress, anxiety, depression, tension.
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Whom of you has never had a moment that
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you are worried that you were forgetting some words
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or worried if your memory is still functioning?
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Because centuries ago this only
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happened when you are 85.
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But recently we discover in our society that even young
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people, I even get emails from school children who are
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asking me, doctor am I suffering a burnout?
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And unfortunately it starts at
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younger and younger ages.
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And what happens is that when stress, whatever kind
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of stress that happens in our lives is stimulating
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our adrenaline, our cortisol and several other stress hormones,
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there's a kind of poisoning of the brain.
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And the first organ that's attacked is
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part of our brain, the hippocampus, where
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the concentration in our memory is situated.
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And because of that we are getting difficulty in being
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focused on that what we want, on whom we want
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to be and what we want to achieve in life.
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And more and more we start
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to experience when stress is happening.
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Negative stress at least that we have the feeling like we
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don't have our brain as an organ anymore in order to
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make the right decisions and to live the happy life.
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It's like some people start to
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feel the hopelessness and the sadness.
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Some people start to feel anxiety and tension, others are
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getting so tired that it's like they say, I'm broken
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down and I don't know what to do anymore, I
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don't know who I am anymore, I'm completely losing myself.
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And this is happening more and more frequently.
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It's happening more and more since the mobile
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phone, since Facebook, since messenger, since a lot
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of influencers are coming to our brain and
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our brain cannot digest it anymore.
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At the speed that we try to live our lives and
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to try to be the person who we want to be.
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Now however, there is hope because what we see
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in our survey, in our results analyzing 3000 patients
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who have followed a program where we are analyzing
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what works and what doesn't work, we have been
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able now to develop protocols where people who are
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in that situation within three weeks of time.
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So the average patient who follows this type
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of protocols in three weeks of time reaches
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normal levels of stress, anxiety and depressivity again.
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So technically it is possible to decrease
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the stress in a pretty short amount
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of time in several weeks of time.
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And if we take an antidepressive medication, it
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also takes about three weeks of time.
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And a good selfhelp system takes on average three weeks
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of time for some people more, for some people less.
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And what we measured is that the level of life
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satisfaction and happiness can increase with 40% in three weeks
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of time has been measured on 3000 people.
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Now what makes that people fail
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in living these happy lives?
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Because we are all born to live the lives that we
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want to live to become the person we want to be.
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We have a kind of innate desire to
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become the person we want to be.
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And it's like our software goes there.
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And when we see that something makes it
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impossible for us to reach this dream and
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this goal, this negative stress starts to happen.
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But what makes that some people can
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cope with it and some others don't.
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Those who cope with it, at least those who fail
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are those who, first of all, don't make a decision
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that it's a priority to manage this in our society
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where stress is so frequent around us.
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So the first reason why people fail
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is they don't make a decision.
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Maybe they go to the physician, maybe to the psychologist,
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but that doesn't even mean they took the decision.
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From today on, I'm going to change
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my life and do something about it.
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The second reason is they don't have a system.
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They don't know how to do it.
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So the second reason why people don't find
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solutions is they don't have a system.
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The third reason is they quite
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often don't have access to knowledge.
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You could say address a lot of you on
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YouTube, but where to start to find what's good
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knowledge and what's not the right knowledge.
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So a lot of people don't succeed because they don't
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have access to the right type of insights and knowledge.
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Fourth reason is that they don't work on it
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with a system on a daily, consistent basis.
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Because whatever you do, if you want to make a
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change in your life, it requires changing habits, because when
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you are in a depression or in a state of
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anxiety or in a burnout, it's because you have developed
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habits that are not adapted to a happy life anymore.
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And your challenge is to develop new habits.
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And that's what's starting to fail at certain moments.
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And when I realized that, I was wondering with
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some colleagues, what can we do about it?
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Because a lot of people don't go to the physician.
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A lot of people don't go
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to the psychiatrist or the psychologist.
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And even if they would go, they might be
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on a waiting list for three weeks, for five weeks
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in some countries, even for seven months before
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they get access to the right kind of help.
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And maybe they even will not have the
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right match with the right type of therapist.
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So when I discovered that and when I discovered that
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a lot of people in my medical practice called me
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and they say, no, I've been sent by this doctor.
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I said, that's strange because
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he's already five years retired.
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Yeah, doctor, but he gave me your telephone number six years
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ago, but I didn't have the courage to call you.
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So I was thinking, what can we do
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to make something more accessible and easier?
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And at that moment, we discovered that with
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the Internet, there's a lot of possibilities.
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And we try to see what can
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we do to offer a daily solution?
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Because if you don't change your habit on a daily
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basis, if you only go once a week to the
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psychotherapist or once every two weeks and you don't do
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something every day to train the new skills and to
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reverse even the biological process in your brain.
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Because what we have seen that is even if
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some brain cells are damaged biologically because of the
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chronic stress, you can reverse most of that by
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training these brain areas in the right way.
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But then you need a consistent system.
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So what's very important is that science is focusing more
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and more not only on having a nice talk, to
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give someone a nice insight, but to help people to
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deliver them a system where step by step they can
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build up the competence to rebuild new habits.
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And that's what we have seen now in our research at
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this moment, we have like 400,000 people who took our free
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test on the internet, on the website 15Minutes4Me.com
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and about 3000 of them follow the full program.
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And when we analyze their results, we see that the average
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client on the 3000 that are in our sample database, average
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client when they really do it every day, when they really
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take 15 minutes a day, and what do they do?
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They do self reflection, asking yourself kind of
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questions, whom do I want to be?
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What type of life do I want to have?
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What type of a mother or father do
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I want to be for my children?
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What type of a professional do I want to be?
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What type of a friend do I want to be?
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So what type of a person do I want to be
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and what am I already doing that works in that direction?
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And that's what a good
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psychotherapist or software can do.
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Ask you the right questions so that you start
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to get insight in what's useful for me.
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And the funny thing is when I analyzed the first
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clients who did our program, they were giving us solutions.
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I was taking my antidepressive medication and so on.
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So I was a little bit scared because I
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didn't want to encourage medication too much, although it
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can be useful from time to time.
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But then after week I saw that the responses
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were shifting to I did some meditation and that's
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already better, but it's still something that you have
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to do in a systematic way.
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And then after some weeks, the type of answer that came
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where I went to the swimming pool with my three year
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old daughter, I went for a walk, I listened to some
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music, I called a friend on the telephone.
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And then we see that what people
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need is to reconnect with the original
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solutions and resources of normal, happy life.
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And when they can reconnect again, and that's what the
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brain makes impossible when you are in this negative vicious
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circle, it becomes almost impossible to reconnect the brain to
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that what you already know from before.
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And when you ask people with a systematic approach,
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the right questions on a daily basis, at that
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moment people will start to find solutions.
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So if you're interested to find out, go to the website
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15Minutes4Me.com and do the test and have a look.
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Thanks a lot.
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Below read insights into what will it take to sustainably help yourself and how this state developed in the first place:
What will it take to sustainably turn %problem% into %solution%?
In order to achieve lasting results it is rarely sufficient to follow one theory or method, that is why 15Minutes4Me program combines different psychology methods, not only solution-focused methods.
Therefore, youneed:
to discover every day the right mix of solutions for yourself
start to self-reflect daily
understand from where this originates
to understand your unconsious habits
to get out of your vicious circle as quickly as possible
How we help in our program in this process:
we offer explanations and exercises so you can gain new insights that are tailored to your problem
we ask the right questions to trigger the self-reflection
we explain how the brain functions
we will help you to practise the new habits until they happen subconsciously and automatically
we teach you how to prevent relapsing.
Do not worry we have personalized the program to go in many directions depending on your own choice and answers.
Read below what doctors say about the program and how we develop those mental states.
Our brains do not have any pain receptors to indicate when we are at our limit.
We no longer live according to the rhythms of nature. We use our brains much more than before.
Our first complaints or symptoms often only come when our self-reflective ability to adjust is overloaded.
We learned how the world's best therapists guide their patients through the right step-by-step plan to break their negative vicious cycle of %problem% with the least amount of effort possible until they obtain a life with more satisfaction again.
We studied their wisdom and techniques and translated them into a computer algorithm, the first version of which we launched ten years ago.
Our vision to help over one milion people is contained in this program that is available for only 55 euros for month.
Most participants are satisfied and symptom-free in 21 days, i.e. scoring again in the green zone on our test*,
and on average maintain their results for the following years after ending the program.
A large part of them (about 25%)already after one week because the stress scores decrease rapidly while your life satisfaction increases rapidly, as you can read below.
This is shown by a study on more than 10.000 participants, followed by a lifelong follow-up of the participants, now for more than 6 years. This study was presented at several international medical and psychological scientific conferences. Below more details about their evolution.
The average stress reduction during the follow up of the program is
- 27% after 7 days,
- 37% after 14 days
- 57% after 21 days
- 60% after 30 days
- 70% after 49 days
The average increase in the satisfaction about themselves and their quality of life:
+20% after 7 days
+30% after 14 days
+40% after 21 days
* For the statisticians: These figures reflect the median
How does this practically improve my life?
After a few weeks you will notice that
you will be more optimistic and energetic,
you will think more solution-oriented and
you will be able to deal with difficulties differntly.
you will be less tense.
you will be able to relativize the setbacks better, put them into perspective and find new solutions for them.
you will be told by your surroundings that you react differently to certain things.
you will start to live your life as you wish.
This is because
this daily self-help program '15Minutes4Me.com' helps you to help yourself more optimally, because of 30 days of daily mental training.
You learn to reflect in a more solution-focused way because of our solution-focused questions.
You will learn to make better choices in a first stage.
You will then learn to make and implement your own new choices on a daily basis - supported by this program.
you will learn to practice this 'self-choosing' into sustainable healthy habits that lead to a better life!
We will not let you alone in this program until you have learned to live as you wish to live.
You develop a life full of new habits that lead to more joy & satisfaction with less stress or negativity.
How does the online self-help program work?
The program offers you:
Daily 15 minutes personalized self-help online
New practical exercises every week
Eweekly short simple commands
Weekly charts with your progress
A weekly evaluation with report for your doctor
Auxiliary support of a support figure every week, if you like : family, partner, friend
Why do physicians recommend this program?
A few examples
A participant who followed the program a few years ago during her burnout told me that thanks to the self-reflection during this program she had come to the decision to start her own business.
A mother of three suffered burnout during an intensely busy period in her career as a manager and told me in a video interview how the self-help program helped her.
A journalist from Psyche and Brain followed this program for a month to write about it, and was surprised when his girlfriend pointed out after 2 weeks that she had never seen him so calm even though he had 8 important deadlines ahead of him at that time.
In his bestseller 'Borderline times', Prof. Drik De Wachter recommended this program for people looking for effective self-help.
For reasons of privacy and professional secrecy, most examples are given anonymously. Some experiences can be found on this website in the form of an interview or video.
Scientific references
Our exceptional and sustainable results have been noted by a.o:
TEDx
The medical press such as Doctors' Newspaper and Specialists' Newspaper among others
World Psychiatry Congress 2017 in Berlin
'European Brief Therapy Conference' in San Francisco, San Diego in Phoenix and in Anaheim (2018, 2016, 2015, 2014)
'Congrès Français de psychiatrie 2017' in Lyon
'Flemish Congress of Mental Health' in Belgium (2018, 2016, 2014)
Our online self-help program helps CEOs, celebrities and business leaders as much as students, professionals and other people like you and me to live again the way you want to live. The program was 100% developed by doctors whose calling is to help people live healthy and fulfilled lives.
Why would my organization benefit?
1. Because you...
you care for your people
you need your people
you will increase
retention
employer branding
you will decrease
the avoidable cost of absenteeism
the avoidable cost of presenteeism
the avoidable cost of loss in
expertise,
business-specific competence
built-up knowledge
2. Because the program works equally fine:
to prevent stress, fatigue, burnout, depression, or anxiety for employees at risk
to resolve existing stress, fatigue, burnout, depression, or anxiety who already went over the top. They will receive every week a progression report in graphics so that their own private physician can follow them up more efficiently and exclude medical, non-stress-related issues if applicable.
3. Because scientific research on over 10.000 people shows:
The average decrease in risk and stress scores:
-60% in 30 days,
-70% in 49 days
The average increase in personal satisfaction +40% in 21 days
The average participant was stress-free in 21 days, reaching normalized stress & risk scores
Durable results measured over 10 years
Those results have been measured on more than 10.000 participants. These are median scores as presented on the prestigious Medical world Congress of Psychiatry, Berlin 2017, Lisbon 2019
How will we help your people?
✔ We help them prevent or resolve symptoms
✔ We help them prevent or resolve problems
✔ We help them overcome stress, fatigue, burn-out, ...
✔ We help them develop Solution Focused Thinking
✔ We help them practice Solution Focused Communication
✔ We help them proactively address problems
✔ We help them become efficient and effective
✔ We help them become proactive and performant again
✔ We help them feel happy and satisfied with their job and life
✔ We help them find a new work-life balance
✔ We help them make better choices and execute their decisions
✔ We help them set better priorities
✔ We help them deliver the right results because of a better focus
✔ We help them find a new work-life balance
✔ We help them become better team players
✔ We help them find a new work-life balance
✔ We help them develop the habit of turning problems into solutions
How?
online
anonymously in their privacy
from home or from work (free choice)
in only 15 minutes a day
measurable results within days to weeks
How will the process be for your Employee?
How?
They start with a self-test
and see the results
and can retest themselves every month
They start the program actively
online
anonymously
15 minutes a day
whenever they want
from wherever they want
retesting progress weekly
until they reach their desired result
with healthy habits to prevent relapse
Lifelong monitoring to solidify lasting results
Do you want to know how we can help your organization and people to prevent and resolve mental problems?
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Click to read some testimonials by physicians and participants
What do doctors and participans say?
Dr. Philippe Mast, MD, Urologist
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Hello, I'm Philip Mast.
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I'm urologist in Belgium and I had the
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opportunity to test myself the '15Minutes4Me.com'
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program, which was very helpful in my personal view
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and in my personal experience to get out of
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negativism and get positive again.
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It was very important for me.
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It broadened my horizon.
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It put me back on the rails
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and was a very, very good experience.
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It helped me in contact with my patients.
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It helped me also in my daily practice and with the
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patients, with my employees and also in my private life.
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It helped me to get positive thoughts, to
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get a new or a better feeling.
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And it was necessary to do it every day.
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And it helped because it was also
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very easy to do at home.
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It has a lot threshold and it gives excellent
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results if you persist and do it every day.
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You told me that you have several patients that you refer
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to the program, and you told me some concrete samples of
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what people told you how it affected their lives.
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Can you expand on that?
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Well, the negativism got away.
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They were thinking differently, and they were forced
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by the program to think positive and positively.
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And this has a great impact, they told me, on
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their life because they got out of the shell again
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and they were able to put some context.
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They have a positive self esteem again, and
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it was very important for these people.
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They told me also that you have to go on
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with it for quite a time, and afterwards it gets
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automatically positive thinking another way to view things.
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And if it gets worse because you don't do it
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for a while, you can put it back on and
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go again and have a good effect of the program. Yeah.
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So you mean that if someone stops a little bit
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too early and they have a beginning of a relapse
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that they can take on take on again and that
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they will go on the rails back very quickly again.
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Then you told me one other example.
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You told about someone of your patients that
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you did not only see psychological effects, but
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that even physiological energy went up quite shortly
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after they started the program. Right.
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Because I saw them while having running, and
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she looked very bad at the first time.
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And then I expected her to say that she had to go
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to the program '15mins4me.com', and she did it.
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And the weeks afterwards, she looked very much better
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and told me afterwards that it was very helpful
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to get her in the positive thinking again, and
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physiologically and physically even she was better.
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Yeah.
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So you see like a kind of double impact,
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because on one side, the program works on the
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brain patterns and the thoughts, but indirectly it has
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a kind of physiological effect on the brain.
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I think the brain works better.
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It has more power to do with
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the other things than thinking negatively.
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That was my experience too when I was getting on
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the computer to do it that for myself the negative
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ideas went away and the positive thinking gives you more
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possibilities of having your brain work better and do things
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that you need every day working, running, to do some physical
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things have envy to do these things and not got
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back in your shell.
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If you look at your patients and you would
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compare doing this daily automatic exercise with this program
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compared to going to a psychotherapist, what are the
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differences, what's more useful when according to well I
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think that the low threshold of these possibilities with
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'15minutes4me.com' is an amazing great thing
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because otherwise you go once in a week once
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in a month to a psychologist or a psychiatrist
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and afterwards you don't have follow up here you
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give your own follow up every day and that's
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helps in getting these positive effects.Okay, great.Thanks.
Dr. Luc Isebaert, MD, Psychiatrist:
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Okay.
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Hello.
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Nice.
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Yeah.
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Look, we've been working on this program for a while,
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and I wanted to exchange some ideas with you to
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see if we can share some with public about the
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program, because I just want to tell you one observation.
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At a certain point, we had developed the first version
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of the program, and I invited some of my private
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patients to come at the same time to me and
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at the same time do the online program. Okay.
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So the online program and the sessions with
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you were in parallel, so to speak. Yeah.
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Because I was curious to find
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out what would be the difference.
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And then one person after two weeks, came to
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me and she said, wow, it's like having every
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day a ten minute session with you.
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Yeah, that's right. I can't imagine that.
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But that's one of the big advantages of program
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like this is that there's a little push in
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the right direction every day so you don't stop
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if one wants to change in the right direction.
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Some days are more difficult than others, and we are
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tempted not to do anything, not to do the exercise
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we should be doing or not to think about the
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things we should be thinking about what area.
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And whereas if you get this little
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small boost every day, then the good
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new habits will start much more easily.
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That's what reminds me, because one of the things that
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we put as a central key was your ID.
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That psychotherapy is not about finding a
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solution, but it's about first finding a
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solution to create a new habit.
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And at once you know how to develop a new habit.
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You still have to train it.
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Just like when I'm doing muscle training, if I would
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only train my right arm muscle, I will have a
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hypotrophic arm and my left arm will be underdeveloped.
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Absolutely.
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And that's the impression that I get with clients
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who are doing the online program, at least if
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they have the motivation to do daily exercise, because
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they get the invitation and it's up to them
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to choose if they want or not.
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But one interesting thing with this program is
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that you get the invitation every day. Yeah.
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So when you are invited every day, while that's human,
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you are inclined to respond to the invitation, whereas the
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invitation, you have to do it out of your own initiative.
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Yeah.
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And especially what I see with patients or
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people who have appeared when there is an
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anxiety attack or there is a deeper depression.
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What happens quite often in real life is
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that they will stop thinking about their progress
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and even they might cancel an appointment. Absolutely.
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But with the online system. Absolutely.
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It's like every day they get a reminder, and even
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if they would skip some days, it's like one day
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they will push the link again and they get restarted.
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Yes, absolutely.
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That's a big advantage of this kind of program.
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Yeah.
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Because quite a lot of people ask me this
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question, why would I go for an online program?
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And I found some answers because I've seen businessmen,
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for instance, who are disciplined to do daily something,
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but they don't know when the business settle the
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clients don't allow them to do a certain point,
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and that makes it easier for them.
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It's one of the observations that I made.
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Also question of a personality style.
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Some people like to confide in someone else.
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They like to talk with someone else
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and get advice from someone else.
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People like that probably will benefit a lot from
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face to face psychotherapy, but also people who want
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to take their life into their own hands and
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who say, I want to achieve this only I
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need some advice on how to achieve some guidance
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on how to achieve this.It is like compass and a map and then I will go my journey.
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Each day, it is like compasss and a map.
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Then, we are on the road of our own life.
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Every day there's some fork to take.
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So if every day you have this small input, then there's
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no chances after you say on the right way, then if
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the input comes only within a point and every two weeks.
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Yeah.
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So actually, if I try to summarize that, what
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you were saying is that personality style, that some
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people rather like to have a talk, while other
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people rather need guidance on our map.
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And some people prefer to be more self driven
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and others take it from the empathic relationship.
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Absolutely.
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That might be a difference.
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Why one has an inclination to an online program.
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Probably both are beneficial as well from an online
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program as from a face to face psychotherapy.
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But one will be more inclined to choose
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the one than the other, but both will
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be beneficial and build both cases, I think.
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Yeah, that's true.
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So you could even combine both if you want. Absolutely.
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Some other topics that I was thinking about
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is what I saw when people come online
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for the program, what happens quite a lot is
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that people seem to be quite confused about
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what's the difference between stress
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and depression and anxiety.
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And quite often we see in real psychotherapy
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practice that there is a mixture of both.
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In most cases, there's a mixture
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of anxiety and depression are very
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closely related, also neurophysiologically.
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And what happens in the brain when
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anxiety and depression is very closely related. Yeah.
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It's like similar areas in the brain. Similar biological mechanism.
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The same drugs that we use for treating anxiety. Yes.
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For treating depression.
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And in large manner, the same drugs because the processes
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in the brain are so similar. With this explain
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I remember that some years ago you told me
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about your research that you did in the hospital.
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Actually, it was on alcohol addiction. Yes.
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And one of the things that was quite remarkable when you
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told me is that you told that after several years you
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do a follow up study that those people who say that
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they got success with the treatment, that most of them also
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say that other problems than the main problem for what they
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came, like anxiety or depression, others also got solved also if
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they did not directly work on it. Absolutely.
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That was a very interesting finding, that while
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we treated people for the alcohol problems and
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they solved these alcohol problems, our programs, I
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must say, are very brief.
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People if they are hospitalized for three weeks or if
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we see them on ambulatory basis, they come to the
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hospital to speak with the doctor or the psychotherapist or
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whatever, the number of sessions is also quite low.
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It's not more than five sessions in general.
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So there is no time to speak a lot
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about their depressed state or their anxiety or whatever,
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which most people with alcohol problems also have here.
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So there's no time to treat these problems, too.
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And what we found and that was extremely
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interesting is that when they solved their alcohol
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problem afterwards, they showed that they also could
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solve their own other problems on their own.
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Once they have started solving their problems,
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they don't need anybody else.
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They don't need to come back
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for another both of therapy.
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Would you say that this is like they learn
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to learn to solve problems and this is something
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that the program like this can do. Because
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on one side they learn to learn to solve problems.
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And then my question would be how would you
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explain them that they are building these habits in
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such a way that they will not relapse?
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Yeah, that's a very interesting question, too.
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We have that question about the habits foundation.
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Well, to put it very briefly now we can discuss it
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at all the point we can discuss it a little more.
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But to put it very briefly, what happens is that whatever we
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do when we do it repeatedly, one can say that's a habit.
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Sequence of time you repeat the same, it becomes a habit.
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So we can get into the habit of having anxiety
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attacks, for instance, when some situation presents itself, or we
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can get into the habit of being depressed when there
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are too many problems facing us over there.
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So you can say that whatever we
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do when we do it repeatedly becomes
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a habit, even disconnected from the origin.
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While we start to have anxiety the
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first time or depression the first time,
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it can become a habit and treatment.
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Our self help should rather focus on breaking the old
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habit and establishing a new one rather than looking for
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establishing a new habit instead of the old habit.
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That's something that occurs in the brain.
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When we make a new habit to,put up very briefly,
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make a new habit, there are new connections that are made
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in the brain, and these connections need to be repeated.
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That's again, why a program
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like this is so interesting.
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Because each time you repeat the new habit,
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it becomes better established in the brain.
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So if you repeat it very often every day,
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for instance, it's much easier to
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establish it in the brain.
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And then when this new habit is made,
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then the old habit is still available.
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But the new habit comes instead of the old habit.
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And it's just a question of choosing.
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Do I want to be depressed or do
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I want to go to scuba now?
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It's like you have a switch and you can choose.
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It may still take some effort,
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but you can do it sometimes.
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It doesn't take any effort anymore because
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the switch stays under right position.
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Yeah, if the new habit becomes
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more sexy than the old one.